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Dean Baker's commentary on economic reporting

4/11/2006

Firing the French

The reporting on the battle over a new law in France that would make it easier to fire young workers has been especially weak. The coverage has included numerous assertions that making it easier to fire workers will reduce the unemployment rate. (The story goes that firms will more readily hire new workers, if they know that they can fire them later, if they find it necessary.)

In fact, the evidence on this point is extremely weak. There has been considerable research within the profession trying to demonstrate the link between labor market protections (like restrictions on firing) and higher unemployment, and most of it has come up short. David Howell, John Schmitt, Andrew Glyn, and I have done several papers examining this evidence.

In fact, one result that most economists familiar with the literature would be quick to acknowledge is that there is no clear link between the strength of employment protections and unemployment. Some of the countries with the strongest protections (e.g. Ireland and Austria) enjoy very low unemployment rates. Most of the literature simply finds no relationship between the strength of employment protections and the unemployment rate.

In fairness to the reporters who cover this issue, I put the blame here primarily on the economists. They are very quick to present their views, without pointing out that they are not supported by the evidence. My own view of high European unemployment (also not well-supported by evidence) is that the biggest factor is the European Central Bank’s (ECB) restrictive monetary policy. It is not easy to show a simple link between high interest rates and unemployment (the relationship is somewhat complex – exactly what the true believers about the negative impact of employment protections would say), but no one disputes the fact that if the Fed had followed policies that were as restrictive as the ECB, then the U.S. would have a considerably higher unemployment rate. So, I would say that it would be appropriate to at least get a little agnosticism into these articles.

There is one other point that really should not be in dispute – other things equal, employment protections are GOOD. People value security in their life. They buy insurance for their home, their life, their health, obviously if they can get insurance that they will not be hastily dismissed from their job, this is a good thing. If there are large costs, in the form of higher unemployment or lower productivity, then this insurance may not be worth the cost. But this conclusion depends entirely on the terms of the trade-off, an issue where the evidence is very weak, as noted earlier. In other words, the contempt expressed by many reporters for employment protections belongs on the editorial pages, not news stories. By the way, according to the OECD, the productivity of French workers is 7.0 percent higher than the productivity of U.S. workers.

23 Comments:

  • At 6:53 AM, Blogger Peter said…

    Glad to see you have a blog, Dean. One question about the French productivity numbers - critics of France's economic policies claim that France has high productivity because French labor market policies keep the less-skilled out of the workplace. Does the economic data back this up - is unemployment more heavily distributed among the low-skilled in France than it is in the United States or Britain?

     
  • At 8:38 AM, Blogger spiiderweb™ said…

    When I was in Ireland a few years ago, I got the impression unemployment was high. So, after reading your statement that it is low, I googled and found this quote:

    Unemployment has traditionally been fairly high in Ireland, and in the past decade has risen to around one-fifth of the workforce.

    This is where it is.

    The entry was last updated 04 October 2005

    Note: This isn't a challenge to your post, but rather an attempt to understand the discrepancy between two very direct statements.

     
  • At 10:01 AM, Blogger Dean Baker said…

    Spiiderweb,

    Your source appears to be from 1992. you can get recent data on Ireland's unemployment rate from the OECD [http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/13/18595359.pdf].

     
  • At 10:46 AM, Blogger Tom C said…

    My former small software company had employees in Ireland, France, Holland and Germany from 1995-2005. Ireland's laws about termination are much less punitive than France's. Whereas you might owe someone 3 months worth of salary in Ireland, in France we paid 18 months worth of salary PLUS expected commissions! Suffice to say, that was our last French employee.

    Thus, I'm primed to believe the simple explanation in the press, although I have no doubt that EU monetary policy also is a major factor.

    Is it just multinational firms that worry about the job protections?

     
  • At 12:33 PM, Anonymous Adam said…

    In today's WSJ I found this:

    There have been labor changes across continental Europe recently. Denmark's measures to liberalize hiring and firing have helped the country cut its unemployment rate in half from about 10% in the early 1990s to under 5%. Spain, too, has introduced short-term employment contracts which have helped cut its unemployment rate by more than half from 20% a decade ago. and taly passed changes to its labor laws in 2004, introducing an extension of temporary-work contracts that were introduced in 1997 and were credited with helping cut Italy's overall unemployment rate to 7.1% from 12%

    Is there any truth to any of this? In the paper you link to it says that Denmark has high worker protection. I'm sure that's still the case, but was their even higher worker protection in decades past?

    Thanks.

     
  • At 1:06 PM, Anonymous bailey said…

    Dean, Fantastic & thanks! I can't imagine where you'll find the time, but I know you'll find a WIDE readership. Best of luck.

     
  • At 1:40 PM, Blogger Dean Baker said…

    okay, I should not have used Ireland as an example of a country with strong employment protections. It ranks in the middle in the OECD's latest measures, but one can found countries that rank right next to France, specifically, specifically Sweden and Norway, which have unemployment rates of 4.5 percent and 4.2 percent, respectively. The Netherlans and Austria have slightly less protection, and unemployment rates of 4.4 and 5.1 percent. Canada is one of the three countries where workers enjoy the least protection, and the unemployment rate is 6.4 percent. I would say that the moral of this story is that there is no clear relationship between the strength of employment protections and the unemployment rate. (These data can be found in the OECD's Working Part on Employment, OECD Jobs Strategy: Lessons From a Decade of Experience, Figure 3.13.)

     
  • At 2:07 PM, Blogger Kevin Morford said…

    Another factor which I would like to see addressed is the available supply of labor. Part of the immigration debate in the U.S. is over the extent to which illegal immigrants flood the labor market and depress wages. I know that France has many immigrants from North Africa. What is your take on the significance for France's unemployment rate of the labor supply there?

     
  • At 2:48 PM, Blogger Tom C said…

    How's this for a bachelor's thesis hypothesis: strict employment contracts have a magnifying effect on unemployment in countries that have an oversupply of labor.

    In a place like Norway or Sweeden, where the labor market is tight, there is no reason why workers couldn't bargain for better protections. But in a situation where labor becomes plentiful, and the protections are still there, couldn't that be a problem? This seems testable, although certainly not for me.

     
  • At 6:26 PM, Blogger Tom Saez said…

    In reference to Adam's comment about Spain short term work contracts. They are known as "garbage contrats" that is what the French goverment is trying to implement.
    The French youth know better than the spaniards. The French are seeing the results on the contracts at work on the neighbor Spain.
    Spain might claim lower unemployement since the implementation, what they have now is growing poverty as never seen in the past 60 years, and employement is the same in net numbers.
    Those "short term contrats" have created a new underground economy and a new underclass, creating short term employement with large subsidides for the employers. Thos contracts create an expiration day for the employee, in which the employer reclycles the job with disregard of quality and productivity of the employee, reason why Spain quality has decline and is not as competitive with its products, except for mega M&A.
    The "garbage contracts" of Spain have become a "de facto" tax break for employers.
    As Dean points out the liberalization of contrats does nothing unless the monetary policies are proactive with better fluidity of money supply, and today those policies in the EU are not fluid.
    Productivity in France as stated by the OECD is compratively calculated, thus all comparisons are equivalents and equal in measure.

     
  • At 3:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I have just a bit of secondhand anecdotal info about France. Many jobs that we, in the US, consider 'private' are treated in France as we treat 'government work.' That is, the hiring process is more elaborate and restrictive, and the tenure has more protections. So I wonder what basis we have for understanding fairly what is happening with French jobs.

    We have no one, especially in government, or at least not yet, advocating that Americans have more babies to avoid foreigner encroachment.

    Mark Twain's old derisive comment, when he met something he didn't like, was to call it "French."

    Don't we need to be helped to understand how it's another world over there?

     
  • At 6:54 AM, Blogger Tim Worstall said…

    Very difficult to generalise about eompoyment protections in Europe. There are at least three models. Mediterranean, very high protection of current employess (and very hight unemployment rates, France, Italy, Sapin, Greece), Scandanavian, not a lot of protection in a specific job but an excellent system of retraining and support for those between jobs and the UK (Holland rather similar) very like the US.

    Worth noting that the UK has one of the lowest unemployment rates along with the least protections. Not quite like the US, about the same as Ireland.

     
  • At 3:07 PM, Blogger Jake said…

    "By the way, according to the OECD, the productivity of French workers is 7.0 percent higher than the productivity of U.S. workers."

    Dean, I think you are refering to productivity per hours worked. Americans, I believe, are more productive, but because they work more hours are less productive per hour: diminishing marginal productivity.

    If you cut American work weeks down to 34 hours, Americans would be more productive than French workers.

     
  • At 2:10 PM, Anonymous Laurent GUERBY said…

    Hi Dean, thanks for this new blog! And right on a very important and neglected topic.

    I just started on the employment protection topic on some french economists blog. BTW one is teaching in the USA right now : http://bsalanie.blogs.com/economie_sans_tabou/2006/04/dprimant.html

    I've been looking / asking for statistical data about real job terminations costs in France and also on the number / length / cost of legal procedures when they happen.

    So far without success, everyone seems to assume it's expensive and hard but ... no data.

    The job creation and destruction is equal or higher in France than most other countries, that might not correlate well with high practical firing costs.

     
  • At 5:07 PM, Anonymous L said…

    Dean Baker:
    "other things equal, employment protections are GOOD. People value security in their life."

    To elaborate on what Tim Worstall said, security is good, but that does not mean that employment protection is good. It is better that the government (as in Scandanavia) pay for security through welfare and retraining than that the government make the employer pay for it through employment protections, as in France.

     
  • At 9:59 AM, Blogger Robert said…

    Other things are never equal and oranges never equal apples. US productivity is affected by the diversity of the workforce, in cognitive and educational terms. France has effectively excluded low-productivity workers from regular jobs. The other bad effect of employment restrictions is that they enhance the power of government, not a good thing in so paternal a regime as that of Chirac and deVillepin.

     
  • At 9:13 PM, Blogger Dean Baker said…

    Laurent,

    To get comparative measures of the ease of firing, the OECD would be the best place to start. They have done a number of studies on this issue over the years, and i think that they are mostly pretty conscientious.

    Tim,

    It is in principle possible to separate income security from job security. This is what the Nordic countries have done to a large extent, although it is still more difficult to dump someone there than in the United States.

    Of course the United States protects neither. When the Bureau of Labor Statistics last fielded the Job Displacement Survey in 2004, it found that less than 20 percent of the people who had lost their jobs in the prior 3 years were re-employed at a job that paid as much or more .

    On productivity, you would have to make some pretty heroic assumptions about the unemployed to substantially alter the relative productivity story between France and the U.S. Suppose that the employment rate increased by 10 percent in France, and these people on average had one-third of the productivity of the employed work force. Even in this extreme case, French productivity would still be equal to U.S. productivity.

    In reality, there is a huge amount of measurement error in international comparisons of productivity, but it is clear that France's productivity level is very comparable to the U.S. level (and quite possibly higher), and this conclusion would be little affected by even large changes in employment rates.

     
  • At 4:28 PM, Anonymous TGGP said…

    You say "all else being equal, employment protection is GOOD". Isn't economics not supposed to answer normative questions? Doesn't what is "GOOD" depend on the subjective values of the individual considering that thing? An economist should not say (as an economist) "Armageddon was a good movie", that's more film critic territory. An economist SHOULD speak of the demand, revenue, costs and so forth.

     
  • At 4:36 PM, Anonymous sandwichman said…

    This ties right in the story I posted on MaxSpeak about the BC Progress Board's discussion paper on productivity. They used the productivity edge of 16 OECD countries as a scare story about Canada, which was dutifully echoed in the Vancouver Sun, without specifying that 14 of those OECD countries were in Europe, including the ones whose policies business-page editorialists love to deplore.

     
  • At 3:19 AM, Blogger James Schipper said…

    Dear Mr Baker
    The willinness to work is determined by after-tax wages compared to alternative sources of non-work income. The willinness to hire is determined by pre-tax wages.If taxes

     
  • At 10:06 PM, Anonymous James Schipper said…

    Dear Mr Baker
    I'm very skeptical about cross-country comparisons of unemployment rates because countries use different definitions. For instance, I read once that if the Germans used the American definition, its unemployment rate would be much lower; and if the Americans used the German definition, the American unemployment rate would be much higher. The Germans do not include civil servants in the labor force for purposes of measuring unemployment because it is assumed that they aren't affected by lay-offs.
    In light of this, it may be more useful to use the employment rate of men between 24 and 65. Men under 24 are often students and women are often at home looking after children.
    If the unemployment rate is 6% throughout the year, it could mean that 72% percent of the labor force is unemployed for one month, that 6% is unemployed for the entire year, etc. My suspicion is that the US is more like the first example and Europe more like the second example.
    Regards. James

     
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